Dera Sacha Sauda and I
Sidhusaheb writes on his very personal connection with the Dera Sacha Sauda.
A few years later, the elder of his two sons followed in his footsteps. He, in fact, went a few steps farther than his father in terms of his devotion to the cult and got involved with its management and administration. Hard-working and honest as he was, he soon rose among the ranks and was widely billed as a likely candidate for a high-ranking position in the Dera hierarchy (Some of my elders tell me that he was expected to be made the head of the Dera, although I am not absolutely sure about this.).
Then, one day, while he was at the Dera premises, he was poisoned and his corpse delivered home in a tractor-trolley on the next.
























46 comments
Mukesh
May 23rd, 2007, 11:57 pm | #
The given news is false. I am connected to Dera Sacha Sauda for many years. Such thing never happened there. Anti-social elements want to defame it. That’s all.
Sidhusaaheb
May 24th, 2007, 2:02 am | #
My grandfather’s cousin was poisoned at the Dera in 1982.
I’m sure that this can be established if my family decides to open a police investigation even today.
Speaking the truth does not cause any one to become anti-social.
akbar
May 24th, 2007, 10:05 am | #
What was your grand father’s cousin’s name ? Give details, please.
Sidhusaaheb
May 24th, 2007, 10:35 am | #
If at all I am to give details, I’d prefer to give those to an investigative agency and/or the mainstream media first.
I’d rather not reveal anything here for the sake of security. The Dera, as reported widely, is already known to kill even regular journalists who report against it, besides its own followers who dare to speak out against it.
RAJAN
May 26th, 2007, 10:54 pm | #
SAINT’S TEACHINGS ARE GREAT ..
THE WAY I ANALYZE THE WHOLE SITUATION..
1) SANT KILLED OR ORDERED TO KILL TWO INDIVIDUALS, ALREADY PROVE HIS WRONGDOINGS WITH SADHVIES.
2) SANT IS A RICH PERSON, HIS LIVING STANDARDS, EXPENSIVE CARS, MONEY HE HAS SPENT ON HIS SON / DAUGHERS MARRIAGE IS BEYOND THE REACH OF ANY WEALTHY RICH INDIVIDUAL. HE SHOULD NOT SHOW HIS WEALTHY STYLE LIVING STANDARD WHEN SO MANY OF HIS FOLLOWERS ARE TOO POOR. POOR PEOPLE DON’T HAVE ANY RELIGION ANY WAY.
3) WORST PART IS HIS RELATION WITH CONGRESS LEADER JASSI WHO IS A WELL KNOWN CORRUPT LEADER, OWNS SEVERAL LIQUOR SHOPS, LIKE CHICKEN AND GOOD LOOKING GIRLS.
4) SANT SAYS THAT WE SHOULD NOT HARM ANY BODY’S FEELING BUT HE WILL DO ANY THING TO HURT SIKH COMMUNITY.
5) EVEN IF CBI UNABLE TO PROVE RAPE CHARGES AGAINST HIM BUT THERE IS A COMMON SENSE WITH SO MANY ISSUES ONE AFTER ANOTHER PROVES THAT HE IS JUST NOT THE RIGHT PERSON FOR THE JOB HE IS CHOSEN FOR.
RAJAN
May 26th, 2007, 10:57 pm | #
SO I WOULD LIKE TO ADVICE YOU GUYS TO CHOOSE ANOTHER GURU EVEN IF HE IS A ANIMAL LOOK A LIKE COW OR ELEPHANT LOOK LIKE GANESH WITH CLEAR IMAGE AND GOOD COMMON SENSE.
RAJAN
May 28th, 2007, 12:26 am | #
SAINT HAS DONE RIGHT BY APOLOZING SAVED HUMANITY , BLOODSHED PROVES THAT HE IS A SAINT.
khalsa
May 31st, 2007, 6:31 am | #
Fuck the dera followers out!
preet
May 31st, 2007, 2:00 pm | #
This so called saint has nothing to do with the religion. Saints live a simple life as a saint always think about the poor the downtrodden but this dhongi baba has best luxuries. His dera is not a religious place but its a bussiness, there botiques, restaurants, desighner dresses r available and all sorts of things are sold in dera, it owns agriculture bussiness, seed bussiness and baba dont need any employees here as his followers provide services free of cost, no jhanjat of paying tax…sab maal kaha jata hai, follower khoon paseene baha kar so called sewa karte hain maal baba harapp jata hai …mercedes mein ghoomne k bajaye baba gareebo ki help kyo nahi karta?
Dera k surrounding villages mein logo se poochho? sab jante hain ki dera ne kisaano ki jameen par dhakke se kabja kiya hai apne land mafia k thru.
Spokesman daily (A punjabi news paper) mein ek report hai k ek aadmi 3 saal se apni beti jise dera mein chhoda hai us se milne ko taras gaya hai, jab bhi vaha jata tha to usse kaha jata hai k uski beti ko usse milvaya nahi ja sakta uski moksh prapti mein vighan pad jayega? aur baad mein baar baar jane par dera ke gundo ne us aadmi ki pitai kar di….ye kaise insaan hain. Dera sacha sauda nahi hai ye JHOOTH KI DUKAAN HAI.
Jasjit
June 1st, 2007, 12:28 am | #
I found an interesting blog.
http://abhishekahuja.sulekha.com/blog/post/2007/05/a-day-at-dera-sacha-sauda-sirsa-haryana.htm
Amarjeet Kaur
June 1st, 2007, 2:03 am | #
Female foeticide, or killing the girl child in the mother’s womb, is a highly prevalent malpractice in Punjab ad Haryana. It prevails not only in the towns and villages, but is also dominant in major cities as well.
But to the relief of all those innocent lives, that are yet to see the world, a very noble, pious, and Godly initiative has been started by the saint Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh ji Insaan, the present Guruji of Dera Sacha Sauda, Sirsa, Haryana.
“Shahi Betiyaan Baserah�, as it is called, is a home to all those female children who have been abandoned by their parents. Guruji has established this home for these innocent children, where they are being provided best in class living and educational facilities.
This is one of the classic examples of leadership by example. Guruji teaches and preaches everyone, not to kill the girl child, and to give her equal love and status as to the male child. Considering the ever growing rate of female foeticide, this is a vital step taken ahead, and the message has been spread across that whosoever does not want girl child should not kill her, either in the womb, or after birth. Instead, handover the child in this “Shahi Betiyaan Baserah�, where it will be taken care of, and the parents will not have to become the killer of their own child.
This has definitely proved to be a ray of hope for those hundreds of girl children as well as for the society. I am taking along with me a positive message from such a noble act and hope that you too after reading this will take along with you a noble thought, that would prove to be a boon for at least one innocent life.
Amarjeet Kaur
June 1st, 2007, 2:06 am | #
Humanity is all about serving our fellow beings selflessly. This can be done in various ways, and just one of these ways is providing free medical services to the poor people, for they are generally not in a condition to support themselves or their families.
One such kind and noble initiative has been undertaken by Dera Sacha Sauda, wherein every year a Mega Eye camp is held on 13th, 14th and 15th of December. This camp was initiated by Saint Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh ji Insaan in the everlasting memory of the worldly voyage of Param Pita Shah Satnam ji Maharaj, the second Guruji of Dera Sacha Sauda.
The camp takes care of cataract and other eye diseases and conducts operations to cure the same. This is done free of cost for all the patients, and accommodation, food and medicines are also provided to them without any charges. Doctors from all over the country participate voluntarily to provide their services in such a great mission.
Every patient and doctor is individually bestowed with Guruji’s blessings.
This is one of the few ‘Small incision cataract surgery’ Mega Eye Camps internationally. Dera Sacha Sauda has always worked for these causes and will keep on doing so in future as well for the welfare of the whole society.
raj
June 1st, 2007, 2:07 am | #
I am from a Sikh family. I am really shameful for all the acts done by heads of our religion in the name of Sikhism.
Is our religion so weak who is not in a position to face even these kind of small things?
Is any body tried to compare the original dress of Shri Guru Gobind Singh Ji with the dress of Dera Chief?
Even a basic thing which is a colour of the dress worn by Dera Chief is not matching with the dress of Shri Guru Gobind SIngh Ji?
Moreover, a regret note and appology has come from Dera Sacha Sauda regretting from Guru Gobind Singh Ji.
I just want to ask one basic thing, is our sikh religion or Akal Takhat is bigger than Shri Guru Gobind Singh Ji?
If Dera Chief has already taken the forgiveness from Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji, then why peoples should comment that seriousness is not there in apology letter.
raj
June 1st, 2007, 2:08 am | #
Lies are spread faster than the truth, and this is exactly what is happening currently.
This is an affair which clearly shows the political game of the Akalis against the pure and pious Dera Sacha Sauda, has definitely led to loss of peace across the nation.
Various news channels have so far claimed that after having lost to congress(said to have been supported by the dera followers) in the Malwa belt, the Akalis had been looking for revenge. And finding a reason (petty issue as dress!), they tried to arouse the religious sentiments of people and have created high tension in Punjab and Haryana.
What had the government in punjab been doing??? Maintaining peace or helping out the Akalis with their dirty politics to take out revenge???
Where was the police when the so called True Sikhs were setting the Deras in Punjab on fire, beating people and trying to kill them as well???? Is this the motive of them being in power???
They are simply trying to put false accusations and allegations against a saint who has always worked for the noble causes, and has taught love, peace and harmony.
The members of Shah Satnam Ji Green S Welfare force were the first to reach Andaman to save the people in Tsunami disaster, when even the military and other rescue operators were not able to reach there. They had helped and set up 36 villages in guajarat earthquake and had provided with relief works. It was the true saint Gurmaat Ram Rahim Singh ji who has prepared Shah Satnam Ji Green S Welfare force to help people in times of disasters. Check out the history of last 10 years, and you will find that anywhere in India, if at all there has been any natural calamity, the Dera sacha Sauda Master and the followers have been the key helping persons, without whom the affected people would have been left to suffer infinitely!!!
Such an institution and its followers are only and only worth respect and praise for all their sacrifices and noble deeds.
PidduSaheb
June 1st, 2007, 2:12 am | #
Definitely yes…This can very well be seen… the political parties are just trying to arouse the sentiments of the Sikhs to solve their own selfish purpose.
In delhi, the badal Govt. had sent their Bhaarhe ke tattooo….i.e hired people (sikhs) to make out a procession and to hamper the peace. Now this is what has been happeniing. They are insulting our own religion that has taught us to live in peace and spread love.
A true GurSikh will always comdemn these acts. Why do we feel that our religion is being threatened?? Are we so weak????? No one can stop u sfrom following Sikhism.. then why such a hue and cry about something, that actually has nothing to do with Sikhism??? have we lost our roots altogether??? WAKE UP people!!! This is just another game of dirty politics…and nothing else.
Saheb
June 1st, 2007, 2:17 am | #
Actions speak louder than words….do you have the guts to do even 1 % of the welfare activities carried out by them???
If so, than let your actions speak for you, as it speaks for them.
http://www.derasachasauda.in/
http://www.truthandmyth.org/
http://www.shahsatnamjigreens.org/?q=node/25
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records/human_body/body_parts/largest_blood_donation.aspx
http://derahelpstsunamivictims.blogspot.com/
http://againstfemalefoeticidedss.blogspot.com/
http://megaeyecampdss.blogspot.com/
– PidduSaheb
RAJ PAL SINGH
June 1st, 2007, 2:43 am | #
I am connected to Dera Sacha Sauda for many years. Such thing never happened there. Log aise hi jhuthi afvahen banakar dera ko badnam karne ki koshish karte rahte hain. LAKHON LOG YAHAN PER BHAGATI KARKE BHAGWAN KO PA JATE HAIN
PidduSaheb
June 1st, 2007, 3:01 am | #
Thats great… comments in favour of Dera are being removed.. awesome…
PidduSaheb
June 1st, 2007, 3:03 am | #
Are sach to karwa hi hota hai.. kaise nahin delete honge comments.. kyun? sahan nahin hota???
– Piddusaheb
CP Arora
June 1st, 2007, 5:11 am | #
The peoples who are giving the bad comments about Dera Sacha Sauda or Sant Gurmeet Ram Rahim are far far away from truth. I am a follower of Dera Sacha Sauda from last 20 years and i have never noticed any bad thing in Dera Sacha Sauda. Moreover, once you have got the Guru Mantra, you are not forced to visit Dera Sacha Sauda. You can sit at home, do your work and continue to do meditation.
I will personally request to all the peoples who are talking or wrtiing against DSS or Sant Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh to take NAAM from DSS and experiment for 2 months, then you decide whatever you want to write or say. Without any proof or experiment, writing wrong things against anyone is not correct and it hurt the feeling of other peoples too.
PidduSaheb
June 1st, 2007, 5:31 am | #
RAJAN, great going i would say….
What have you done for the society by the way????
If not, then learn some lessons from the DSS followers… probably then you may do some good to others.
And, if you do not know wjat is the truth, do not try to show off your unwanted intelligent vocab/blogging skills….
and to all others writing slangs and all… please do not give such a dirty impression of yours to all on the internet.
–PIDDUSAHEB
Ramesh Mehra
June 1st, 2007, 5:44 am | #
*Speaking the truth does not cause any one to become anti-social.
yes, but for that it has to be truth. And we have been connected here since 1960s. I am sure that you have strong political utterly selfish mmotives for writing all this. And yes, please go ahead and launch the FIR, you dare not do so, because you yourself know that it is a plain lie…and that it can never be proved.
But have it in your mind “Truth alone triunphs”. i know you can and will delete this comment, but deleting the comment won’t ever help you.
Your lie would still be a lie.
PidduSaheb
June 1st, 2007, 5:49 am | #
An affair which clearly shows the political game of the Akalis against the pure and pious Dera Sacha Sauda, has definitely led to loss of peace across the nation.
Various news channels have so far claimed that after having lost to congress(said to have been supported by the dera followers) in the Malwa belt, the Akalis had been looking for revenge. And finding a reason (petty issue as dress!), they tried to arouse the religious sentiments of people and have created high tension in Punjab and Haryana.
What has the government in punjab been doing??? Maintaining peace or playing dirty politics to take out revenge???
Where was the police when the so called True Sikhs were setting the Deras in Punjab on fire, beating people and trying to kill them as well???? Is this the motive of them being in power???
They are simply trying to put false accusations and allegations against a saint who has always worked for the noble causes, and has taught love, peace and harmony.
The members of Shah Satnam Ji Green S Welfare force were the first to reach Andaman to save the people in Tsunami disaster, when even the military and other rescue operators were not able to reach there. They had helped and set up 36 villages in guajarat earthquake and had provided with relief works. It was the true saint Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh ji who has prepared Shah Satnam Ji Green S Welfare force to help people in times of disasters. Check out the history of last 10 years, and you will find that anywhere in India, if at all there has been any natural calamity, the Dera sacha Sauda Master and the followers have been the key helping persons, without whom the affected people would have been left to suffer infinitely!!!
Such an institution, its great saint Poojniya Saint Gurmeet Ram rahin Singh Insaan ji and its followers are only and only worth respect and praise for all their sacrifices and noble deeds.
JhoothaSidhuSaaheb
June 1st, 2007, 5:50 am | #
An affair which clearly shows the political game of the Akalis against the pure and pious Dera Sacha Sauda, has definitely led to loss of peace across the nation.
Various news channels have so far claimed that after having lost to congress(said to have been supported by the dera followers) in the Malwa belt, the Akalis had been looking for revenge. And finding a reason (petty issue as dress!), they tried to arouse the religious sentiments of people and have created high tension in Punjab and Haryana.
What has the government in punjab been doing??? Maintaining peace or playing dirty politics to take out revenge???
Where was the police when the so called True Sikhs were setting the Deras in Punjab on fire, beating people and trying to kill them as well???? Is this the motive of them being in power???
They are simply trying to put false accusations and allegations against a saint who has always worked for the noble causes, and has taught love, peace and harmony.
The members of Shah Satnam Ji Green S Welfare force were the first to reach Andaman to save the people in Tsunami disaster, when even the military and other rescue operators were not able to reach there. They had helped and set up 36 villages in guajarat earthquake and had provided with relief works. It was the true saint Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh ji who has prepared Shah Satnam Ji Green S Welfare force to help people in times of disasters. Check out the history of last 10 years, and you will find that anywhere in India, if at all there has been any natural calamity, the Dera sacha Sauda Master and the followers have been the key helping persons, without whom the affected people would have been left to suffer infinitely!!!
Such an institution, its great saint Poojniya Saint Gurmeet Ram rahin Singh Insaan ji and its followers are only and only worth respect and praise for all their sacrifices and noble deeds.
TRUTH
June 1st, 2007, 10:01 am | #
Sanit is quiet now because of sexual and murder allegations. In case CBI clears him of allegations then he will freely do sex with CP Arora’s , Raj pal singh or tej pal singh’ sisters and mothers all the time.
TRUTH
June 1st, 2007, 10:07 am | #
even though these poor guys cannot predict what is in the pipeline, they are brain washed, so in future when their sister will tell them that baba jee’s doing to her, then the same story will be reepated like what happened to ranjeet singh,
may be these guys are pussy and won’t evev complaint about it.
NOTE - ONLY WEAK PEOPLE BELEIVE IN RELIGIONS. STRONG PEOPLE BELEIVE IN PRINCIPALS.
Sachi Khabar
June 1st, 2007, 11:18 am | #
My family is in touch with Dera Sacha Sauda since the Dera was founded. And I too am a follower of Dera Sacha Sauda for 22 years. All are stupid who abuse this pious institution. I am quit sure that all the allegations are false that have been alleged on Dera and Guru Ji. There is no one on the earth who accomplished so many tasks of welfare as our Guru Ji did in so short a time. His every task is meant to the welfare of mankind. That’s a clear evidence of the approach of Kaliyug where people condemn even those who taught the true way of living. I was there in Gujrat during the earthquake for 45 days. I saw how Guru Ji took care of every individual there personally. His Highness gave consolation to every heart and restored their will to live again. His Highness founded the whole village named Pratapgarh within some days without taking care of His own rest. I know how Guru Ji worked there for 18-22 hours in a day. Likewise, Guru Ji brought the inhabitants out of their life of animality in Jharol and Kotra (Distt. Udaipur) Raj. During flood in Bihar, cyclone in Orissa, deadly snow fall in J&K, famine in Rajasthan, flood in Barmer, Tsunami hits in Andeman Nicobar Daweep Samooh, Guru Ji initiated to render help. You may take down (written assurance) all those who are engaged in the condemnation of Guru will find peace and happiness neither here in this life nor after death. That’s my challenge. I know still some will write wrong about what I wrote due to their negative thinking. But they can’t help as such thinking has been filled in them right from their birth by their parents. As C. P. Arora Ji wrote, do meditation for 2 months by heart and if he/she doesn’t get the expected result, he/she is free to write. They are foolish and traitors who condemn Guru Ji, who ignored His every rest for the good of mankind.
Dilsher Khalsa
June 1st, 2007, 11:40 am | #
I am Dilsher Khalsa from Ludhiana. Chahe Dere wale sant kaise bhi hain par maine apne sikh bhaiyon ko to dekh liya ki woh kitna amal karte hain Gurbani par. Are kis guru ne hame kaha hai ki maar-kaat karo. Sharab pee kar, Non-veg khaakar hum unki burai kar rahe hain jo logon ko Gurbani par chalne ki shiksha dete hain. Maine kall bade dhayan se baba ji ke satsang ki CD suni, Are kya baat hai mere to rongte khade ho gaye ki aisa sach to maine aaj tak nahi suna thha. Phir mai shaam ko jab Gurdwara Sahib mathha tekne ke liye gaya to dekha wahan Dere ko badnaam karne ke liye kuchh mere sikh bhai tarkeeb lada rahe thhe. Maine mahsoos kiya ki yahan aaker bhi jo saajishen rach rahe hain woh sikh kahlaane ke to kabil hi nahi hain.Bus ab kabhi mauka mila to darbaar sache saude jaakar aaunga. Bus ek baat ki chinta hai ki wahan jaane ke baad mere saath kahin aisa-waisa bartaav no nahi hoga?
Sachi Khabar
June 1st, 2007, 11:47 am | #
Face to Face – Violence and Non Violence
I want to take you in the world where we can see violence and non-violence simultaneously. No where else, you can peep into your homely country India’s most holy state Punjab where these two elements are vivid for last whole week. Firstly, I want to talk about those persons, Oh No! Not persons demons and devils who are totally disobeying the rules of Indian Constitution. They are the terrorists who want to show their devilish force by making the people fearful. I am talking here about the dis followers of Sikh religion, the stains on the name of Sikhs, the pretenders of religion. Yes they are roaming on the roads making the Dera Sacha Sauda Ashram devotees their victim and burning the ashrams into ashes. They are forgetting or we can say that these idiots don’t know that Respected Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji has given the swords for saving any helpless not to make the blood shed out of the helpless people. These terrorists have taken the lives of many innocent people in the last decade when there was demand of khalistan on name of Guruji. Again same scene is in Punjab whereas on the other hand Dera Sacha Sauda devotees are proving themselves to be real Sikhs of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji by donating blood, by giving their kidneys, bone marrow and eyes after death. Even some devotees are donating their whole body for the sake of humanity. I am not well known to Dera Sacha Sauda, but anyone whether known or unknown can judge the difference between real Sikhs and pretenders of Sikhi i.e. the devotees of Dera Sacha Sauda (Real Sikhs) and pretenders (terrorist on the roads). If Govt. is ruling anywhere in the Punjab, it would also see the difference. The govt. officials are always to make the countrymen safe. But the situation is totally opposite. So Govt. should awake otherwise this war of violence and non-violence can ruin your reign.
RAJ PAL
June 1st, 2007, 11:57 am | #
Aaj ke din duniya mein agar koi Dera Sacha Sauda aur Guru Ram Rahim Singh Ji ke bare mein galat sochta hai to woh Kaal ke vash mein akar hi kar raha hai. Becaz whenever true saint shows path of truth, the kaal gets burned and try to oppose the truth. Same is happening here the people writing fabricated and false stories against Dera Sacha Sauda are influenced by Kaal. Hamari to Ishwar se yahi request hai ki Bhagwan inko sadbudhi bakhse, and also give them power to differentiate between truth and lie.
Sachi Khabar
June 1st, 2007, 12:17 pm | #
It’s a political matter not religious
First of all, it should be clear that ‘Sant Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh Ji Insan’ is not included in the case of elections. If evil- minded people have created the issue of elections why dera’s devotees have supported to the congress? Then give answers of the following questions: -
• Can’t a citizen give vote by his own wish?
• Can’t a family take a collective decision to support a particular party for giving vote?
The answers of these questions will be in positive. Then why government is not taking any actions against the evil-minded people, who are presenting the violent actions? Devotees of Dera give the vote in unity, as they are also the citizens of independent India. The devotees of dera themselves made a political wing and took decision that we all will give vote collectively to that party who will do works for upliftment of society and for the welfare of humanity. In whole of this concern guru ji was not included in any way. Sadh Sangat is like a family and as a family take a decision before taking any important decision just like that all the followers made a decision to support congress party. But the violent persons are
• Killing to persons
• Destroying naam charcha ghar of dera
• Burning homes of the devotees of dera
• Breaking all the legal rules
Are they doing the work of religion? whether it is written in any religion to do such types of things. Are those evil-minded people not doing the violation of rules of their Sikh religion? At one side they are fighting for ‘Guru Gobind Singh ji’ and other side they are totally breaking all the morals given by the ‘guru ji’, why no body cares for this point? And in the Dera Sacha Sauda devotees are quite as per the teachings of ‘guru ji sant gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh Ji insan’ to love all whether Hindu or Sikh. Now you can conclude that who is moving according to the religion and who is not.
Why Punjab govt. is not taking any actions those evil-minded people. Is the government sleeping? It’s clearly showing that the government is mixed with that evil-minded people. And it is a political matter, don’t make it religious. The followers of dera have not given vote to them so out of jealous they are creating these meaningless issues.
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confused
June 1st, 2007, 2:01 pm | #
Guys and gals,
Can you please stop posting from multiple ids? Piddu saheb has posted in about five different names and surprise surprise–dilasher khalsa and sachi khabar are the same. We can easily see your ip addresses so please refrain from such childish games.
Genuine
June 2nd, 2007, 8:52 am | #
I agree with ‘CONFUSED’, but at the same time I do question the authenticity of the incident mentioned in the blog. Just as it is possible for a user to post different comments with different IDs, it is very much possible for any anti DSS person(in this case, our author) to write about just anything. And the same article has been posted at a number of sites, as I have verified that…..WHAT IS THE CREDIBILITY OF THE MATTER BEING PUBLISHED BY YOU HERE AS WELL AS IN OTHER SITES???
I would request you to stop playing this dirty game here on the internet.
IT IS 100% SURE THAT YOU HAVE COOKED UP THE STORY, although i am not sure whether the motives are political or personal, or may be you are feeling insecurity for Sikhism. The fact is that DSS respects each religion and is not against any, infact it is taught to follow one’s own religion.
I promise to sponser your entire trip for a visit to DSS in case you want to see the truth for yourself(IN CASE YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO ). Have the guts to come and see it for yourself.
ANYBODY OUT THERE IS WELCOME FOR THIS OFFER.
Kahibe ko shobha nahin, dekhat hi parwaan.
Regards,
Insaan.
BLIND FAITH
June 2nd, 2007, 11:16 am | #
Guru Gobind Singh sacrificed first his own 4 children, his father and personal wealth for the sake of humanity. I read about DSS and some of previous gurus in DSS have also done similar sacrifices.
But the current dera chief is a corrupt individual and has created lots of controversies. He himself and his immediate family are very rich. His close relative H.S. Jassi along with Baba jee has invested in Ludhiana City Center project more than 50 crore of rupees, something CBI must also investigate.
BLIND FAITH
June 2nd, 2007, 11:36 am | #
Guru Gobind Singh sacrificed first his own 4 children, his father and personal wealth for the sake of humanity. I read about DSS and some of previous gurus in DSS have also done similar sacrifices.
But the current dera chief is a corrupt individual and has created lots of controversies. He himself and his immediate family are very rich. His close relative H.S. Jassi along with Baba jee has invested in Ludhiana City Center project more than 50 crore of rupees, something CBI must also investigate.
Activities i.e. blood donation etc. etc. are done as show off to public and local governments, and to prove that he is not a rapist, murder and killer. Whole world knows he ordered to kill several individuals like Ranjeet, Chattarpathi. He is lying to himself and world by not admitting it. If he thinks he is a true guru then he should not be afraid of admitting the truth. The day he admits that whole world will listen him.
May be the all the DSS followers are like him, liars and don’t want to hear the truth.
Sidhusaaheb
June 2nd, 2007, 11:45 am | #
I leave it to the discretion of the readers, whether or not to believe what I have written about a personal experience.
Meanwhile, I have been browsing through the comments above and here are some examples of some of the ‘humanitarian work’ done by the Dera chief and his followers: http://www.tehelka.com/story_main30.asp?filename=Ne020607Much_vice_CS.asp
Sachi Khabar
June 3rd, 2007, 10:37 am | #
Dera Sacha Sauda is the confluence of all religions. In Dera Sacha Sauda, congregation is motivated and inspired to follow the moral advices of religious saints, gurus, spiritual heads, etc so as to create social harmony. We ask whether it is wrong to follow the morals of other religion. People here in this society actually don’t know what their religion says. Communal riots or hatred are no religious advice, but the false advocates of religion think it to be proper. One thing to be noted how much we follow the morals of our religions. No akali made attempt to wean the evils from society so far. No akali tried to prevent drug abuse. No akali let the true meaning of religion know to the common folk. By orthodoxy ideas alone, no one can bring harmony and peace in the society. Dera Sacha Sauda Head preaches the gospels of all religion after personally adopting them in life. Thus they are looking forward to the creation of a moral society. Is there anything wrong in it?
The present dispute actually didn’t rise out of the matter of dress. We must know the hidden layer of truth. Actually Akali couldn’t do what DERA SACHA SAUDA did in so short time. What’s the reason Punjab, the religious state, is becoming drug abusers dominated area. What’s the reason, Akal Takhat, being the head of Sikh community, couldn’t let the society free from social evils. We all know how much the Zathedars of Akal Takhat follow Gurubani. It’s the hard fact that Akal Takhat by taking resort of violence wants to hide his weaknesses. They don’t care what the Gurubani says. They care only for their honour and social prestige.
ram
June 4th, 2007, 4:44 am | #
This news is absolutely false. This is just to misguide otehr people so that they cannot be attached to the good things..
I appeal to all people please donot believe on such type of news until and unless there is a proof for the saying…
Rashmi
June 4th, 2007, 6:11 am | #
Violent Incidents over the past few days by Sikhs only show intolerance towards other faith and certainly not what our esteemed gurus have taught us. This is certainly not what Sikh Gurus have taught. There is no “deenta and namrata” is the actions of Sikhs. They are being misguided by people who have personal grudges against dera.
Request all my brethrens to come out of the shell and look at the broader aspect of teachings of Gurus. India cannot afford to waste its manpower on such petty issues fuelled more to serve political means.
aeenamoun
June 4th, 2007, 1:08 pm | #
unanalytical ,biased comments given in a severe irresponsible way only show the ungraceful and intolerant face of a group which is just singing its past glories without contributing something at present to the society.
SIKH
June 6th, 2007, 12:20 am | #
I think sacha sauda followers are true sikh of their gurus, very dedicated hard working, individuals.
But only concern is about the history of present Guru.
May God bless them to choose better Guru in future who is, free of
kaam(no allegation of sex),
krodh(never ordered anyone to kill or murder someone),
moh(not spending crores of rupees on personal marriages, expensive cars),
lobh (buying parcels of land and asking poor people to work for him free),
hankaar(and don’t compare himself look alike guru gobind singh)
Raju
June 7th, 2007, 6:25 am | #
I am the follower of the this True and Great Institution. Whatever is going on today, it seems that this great Institution of Spritual Learning “DERA SACHA SAUDA” is under great danger, but actully it is not. Because everything that is happening in this world ever happens under the wish of great holy saints, because they are the true messengers of god.
History Proves that whenever Truth spread everywhere, Evils try to put hinderances in the path of truth but it is the truth that always wins. And it will happen again now.
I want to inform all the people that very soon, This era will definitely transform into the better and none should doubt it because this spritual organization “DERA SACHA SAUDA” is the bright future of not even india even of the whole world.
The Saint of this organization will convert all political constitutions of the world into a world human constitution which will design a single language, one nation, one Supreme Court and one flag in the entire world.
This is not base less it has strong reasons in favour of it.
Because that time is now not far Away When prophecies (Bavishya Vani) of these certain Great Prophet is going to be true very soon. These are not common men these are the great prophet, whose thousand of prophecies proved accurate, large list of their propecies proved accurate available on number of websites.
***After These Prophecies i have also drawn conclusion that why these prophecies fits true for “Dera Sacha Sauda”
Source of Prophcies: http://www.shriramsharma.com/chapters_7,_8,_9.htm where you can read them elobrately.
And some of these prophecies of different
prophets are:
**”The religious influence of a person born in a small village of India will not only augment in India but also in the entire world. This person will become the greatest messenger of God in world history. He will possess so much collective power, all of it gathered on his own, which none of the world’s government will possess. He will convert all political constitutions of the world into a world human constitution which will design a single language, one nation, one Supreme Court and one flag in the entire world. This will result in men competiting with one another for self-control, pious behaviour, justice, ethics, sacrifice and generosity. The main pages of all newspapers will print articles on service to all beings, renunciation, daring and generosity. On reading this world humanity will imbibe a life of sacred ideals. Murder, riots, robbery, terrorism, lack of ethics etc. will be warded off from their very roots.–ANDERSON (The Great Prophet Ever)
**“Such an individual has taken birth whose soul force, generated by himself on his own, will be equivalent to the force of a very powerful nation. He will design a behavioural ethic for the world which includes one language, one culture and one religion.— ANDERSON (The Great Prophet Ever)”
**”“At the end of the 20th Century, Modern Science will become so advanced, that majority of mankind will become atheists. Social behaviour will get tainted along with man’s character. People from the high strata of society will indulge in fashion and vanity. People will eat more in hotels than their homes. At that time a great soul of the world will be born in a religious nation of East (could be India). This great saint with the help of his aides, will create a great thought turbulence in the world. This historical saint will create such an intense agitation, that inner strife will manifest everywhere. This inner strife will take place between the end portion of the 20th Century and the earlier portion of the 21st Century. Later human values and ethics will be imbibed everywhere. World humanity will shed the cloak of taints and thus will usher in heaven on earthâ€?. -Nostradamus (The Great Seer)”
**”A soul has been born in India who will give the light of a Golden Era(Sat-Yug)to the world. His activities will augment independently around world.This soul will give up his garb of a human being and will manifest his divine nature. Despite intense opposition from ignorant people, he will manifest divine powers and thus jolt our age-old beliefs” –”George Babri, a great scholar of Egypt’s Secret Sciences”
**“In a certain country of Asia (India), a great soul will be born in a rural family. He will begin, direct and control a Super Spiritual Revolution. He will be helped by his aides who will transform the present distorted state of the world. —Jean Dixon (Another Great Prophet)â€?
**“A light is rising high up. It will purify the atmosphere and destroy the mental taints and sins of world humanity. The world will be united as a single nation and joy and peace will be established eternally in the entire world.- GERARD CHRISEY (A Great Prophet)”
**“I clearly see a radiant light emerging from an extremely ancient country of Asia (India), where sages and serpents are worshipped, whose women are very pure and who never divorce their husbands and whose citizens are straightforward, simple and honest. Over here such a great saint has taken birth who will design programs for world peace, prosperity and unity. During these times the world will experience a lot of turbulence, terrible wars will be fought and a few countries will be destroyed totally. So many plane crashes will occur that people will travel less by air. This great saint will have innumerable followers wherein women will predominate. These followers will be residents of various regions of that country. They will light pyres and offer fragrant materials to that scared fire (Yajnas). The smoke emitted as a result will purify and sanctify the atmosphere. World humanity will pay more and more attention to the above followers. When all world political leaders will realize the importance of the sagely advice of this saint, they will have to unite and confer with one another on one dais. The proof of my prophecy will be witnessed at the end of the 20th century. At that time the world will be united as a single nation and only peace and prosperity will reign in the world. There will be no place for violence, terrorism, riots, falsehood etc. Capital punishment will be meted out to vile men and those, who harass women sexually or otherwise. People will drink more milk. The world will beautifully bloom like fragrant flowers.- GERARD CHRISEY (A Great Prophet)�
**”The Golden Era (Satyuga) will commence with human beings below the age of 25 years. Senior citizens will refuse to give up their age old beliefs. At that time a great saint will be born in India who will revolutionize the entire world with his sacred thinking. He will have innumerable followers. Amongst them certain people who catch on to old beliefs will fail to imbibe this saint’s teachings. Despite this a new generation of world humanity will easily imbibe all that this great saint’s tell them to and will hence work hard for neo creation. People will be full of hope and injustice, cunningness, cheating, fraud etc. will be replaced by universal love, compassion, generosity etc. Righteousness will be established in the world and dishonestly will be uprooted. By the end of 20th centuary this picture will become more clear”
***”At the end of 20th centuary world humanity will be terrified. At that time India will progress greatly as far as agriculture and science is concerned. India will make such scientific discoveries, which will amaze the entire world. India’s defence (arms) power will be a force to reckon with and spirituality will play a great role in politics– Rawlaji (A Prophet)”
***”The famous prophesizer Mr. Ramchandraji agrees that today’s widespread atheism due to high intellectualism, will in future be replaced by faith in God and Spiritual Science. This task will be executed by the above Incarnation of God who will be devoid of the limited, deluded egoistic altitude of “Iâ€? and “Mineâ€?. Despite taking up a human body, this Incarnation will actually be an ocean of divine love and sacred sentiments. Meaning his mind will be divine and not inert. He will ward off the sorrow of world humanity and thus will transform this era.
His main endeavour will be the direction of a great struggle. For this his thought energy will be working full time. His invisible soul force will induce a thought revolution in the entire world and also a gigantic turbulence in Mother Nature. This Incarnation will manifest his Raudra (terrible) form via calamities like earthquakes, wars, epidemics, famines etc. Although on the face of it all this seems hazardous yet it will uproot all evil elements of the world (It is like cleaning your house with a broom – stick or like a doctor removing a tumor which is very painful initially but is extremely beneficial in the long term). After the destruction of evil elements, pious natured people of the world will experience a new era full of heavenly bliss –Prophesizer Mr. Ramchandraji”
****CONCLUSIONS:
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1.*****The most strongest reson for the happening of the above prophecies is that, It is the wording of the Dera Sacha Sauda’s True “Saint Gurmeet Ram Raheem Singh Ji” that “”**SAARE JAHAN MEIN HOGA EK HI NAAM SHAH SATNAM… SHAH SATNAM…**”
means their will be only one name in the whole world Shah Satnam.. Shah Satnam…
(Shah Satnam is the 2nd pious Saint of this great spritual Organization.)
It is also mentioned in the Pious Book Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that “SANT WACHAN PALTE NAHI PALAT JAYE BRAHAMAND (universe)”
menas This universe can changes but the Sayings of True saint never changs or fails.
2.GuruJi(Saint Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh Ji) Taken birth in a Rural area of Rajasthan “Sri GuruSar Modia” at 15th August 1967,as justify the prophecy that pious soul will take birth in india in rural family in a small villege and the prophecy that tells that messenger’s age will be less than 25 is also true, Because when GuruJi Undertaken the duty of this orgnization thier age was just 24.
3.As evident this organization at persent is doing welfare selflessly in such a mass amout at such a furious pace that there is no comparision. Same thing metioned in above prohecies that, that organization will do lot of welfare works.
4.Dera Sacha Sauda has 3 crore (30 Million) Follower around the world those are still increasing very quickly. As said above in the Prophecies he would have inumorous no. of followers.
5.Gurji preaches to their followers that god is one only his names are different, we have incarenated from that only one God. So they are trying to make the wohle world and people one and unite and they will.
6.As above mentioned in prophecy that, He will design a behavioural ethic for the world which includes one language, one culture and one religion. for this they have created 47 behavioural ethics for their followers, like shun liquor, meat, eggs, avoid condemning anyboy, dont accept dowry, treat boys n girls equally, avoid discrimination with people, help poor n needy people, avoid watching obscene material in magzines and TV, remind god everyday in morning n evening and so many others total 47 in numbers.
7. As mentioned in prophecy world transformation will happen in the end of 20th century and it is 20th centry that has ended and 21 century has begun.
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In the end i can say that more than enough sign mentioned above in the prophecies lies in the Spritual Organization “Dera Sacha Sauda” and its Pious Revrend Saint “Saint Gurmeet Ram Raheem Signh Ji”.
I have to say nothing about the current controversy because i know that whatever wrong is being said about “Dera Sacha Sauda” is totally false. Because Critics are critics no one can keep their mouth shut.
Above all of that i want to tell all of the people those who are saying wrong about Sera Sacha Sauda they will repent in future for their harsh wordings that why they used such a harsh wording at that time about such a pious soul.
In the End I would like to say that
“EVERYBODY IS WELCOMED IN THE DERA SACHA SAUDA AND TREATED EQUALLY NO MATTER WHETER HE IS RICH,POOR OR FROM ANY CAST”
D.Bheemeswar
June 8th, 2007, 2:04 am | #
This action and reactions are totally unwarranted, especially at this time of the hour. It is the same case with Gurjars and Meenas. The political leaders are to be blamed, for trying to use this as their propaganda item as if they are only the saviours of that community or this community. It is also true for the case of art paintings by students and then debarring the person from examination and the suspending the head of the department.
The there are comments about Hussains painting’s, which are not necessary at this juncture. Actually speaking India being a country of great tolerance and perseverance, and people love peace, the art what Hussain has shows how Sita is having confidence in Hanuman, that he will not miss-utilize the opportunity to do some thing else. Similarly the case of Parvathi and others. We have to compliment Hussain showing the greater angle of the art and veracity.
Genuine
June 9th, 2007, 2:42 am | #
Adarniyaa Raju ji,
You are exactly right….I have no other words to say..the feeling that a trues gursikh’ s soul would be feeling after reading this can not be described in words…the era is definitely turning and in the coming time, the truth will show up itself…
and the whole aorld will see….
PidduSaheb
June 11th, 2007, 7:00 am | #
All,
I would request you to glance through this book, and feel, see and understand the great spiritual revolution that will be brought ahead by His Highness, Param Poojniya Huzoor Maharaj ji and let your soul feel the joy.
http://www.shriramsharma.com/veda_incarnat.htm
Especially the chapters 7, 8 and 9
I have read the entire book written by this author, and which is available on his site. Throughout the book, they are referring that incarnation of God has already taken birth(they have also mentioned that sometime before 1970), and they are saying that although as yet they don’t know where HE is, they are waiting and searching for HIM.
All the pointers in this book point only and only towards our param poojniya, param sant Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh ji. This has also been described by Raju ji in his earlier comment.
I would want to specify here, that in during some year in 1500 s itself, a prophet had made a prophecy which says “At the end of the 20th Century, Modern Science will become so advanced, that majority of mankind will become atheists. Social behaviour will get tainted along with man’s character. People from the high strata of society will indulge in fashion and vanity.People will eat more in hotels than their homes. At that time a great soul of the world will be born in a religious nation of East (could be India). This great saint with the help of his aides, will create a greatthought turbulence in the world. This historical saint will create such an intense agitation, that inner strife will manifest everywhere. This inner strife will take place between the end portion of the 20th Century and the earlier portion of the 21st Century. Later human values and ethics will be imbibed everywhere. World humanity will shed the cloak of taints and thus will usher in heaven on earth.-Nostradamus” . In the entire history, the prophecies of this great seer have never turned wrong.
This and all the facts presented in the the entire book, tell us that this true great saint (Poojniya Saint Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh Ji) will be very simple in his living, and that HIS spiritual powers would be much greater than all the material powers of the world combined together. HE will change the era, and will bring back SATYUG in this ghor KALYUG. He will incarnate only and only for the welfare of teh humanity, and will do so selflessly.(This is exactly what our Poojniya Huzoor Maharaj Sant Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh ji describes the motto of his life as)
And as you all are witnessing currently, our Poojniya, param vandaniya Huzoor Maharaj Sant Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh ji ji, has already set forth the platform of humanity, where there is just one religion, insaaniyat. According to the book, every prophet has made a prophecy, that the whole India, and later on the whole world will follow only and only one religion, which will be humanity (the base of which has been laid by MAHARAJ JI on the historical date 29th APRIL 2007).
All the countries will stand together united as one nation of human beings, people will compete to do maximum human welfare….the Golden Era of Satyug will be brought.
It is also quoted that initially there will be turbulance(I understand that the current phase is quite turbulant), and also says that initially people will not believe HIM, but later, they will realize, that this greater than ever Spiritual Being is none other then GOD himself.
The evil beings would be washed away because of the natural calamities that would take place over a period of time, making the world cleaner to live. Even this would be the wish of the great spiritual soul, the Almighty, the incarnation of GOD. [as Huzoor MAHARAJ JI says: "malik ki raza ke bina patta bhi nahin hil sakta"]
“This spiritual being will be the strongest and the greatest being ever born on this earth, since He will be the incarnation of GOD himself.”
Yes, Saint Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh ji is the greatest saint ever ever born on this earth, the greatest of all that the history of world has ever witnessed.
So the time, the transformation of the era, the beginning of Satyug is very very close by.
Have faith, for we are the children of this great Almighty, Param Poojniya Saint Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh Ji.
The wave of joys that Huzoor Maharaj ji is spreading across will only and only increase for those who follow his vachans. Every thing is in HIS Raza.
“Saari Duniya mein hoga ek hi naam…Shah Satnam, Shah Satnam”
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