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		<title>By: raj</title>
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		<dc:creator>raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 11:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>br, a lot of people have this aversion for Yuvan and an almost-unexplainable preference for Karthik - and I am one of them.
Maybe, you could articulate it for us :-)

Yuvan has not done much for me either, except the odd Paruthi Veeran or not to forget, in case you have forgotten, Nanda. Mun Paniyaa was as dew-fresh as you could get. Somehow, his other scores dont hold up barring a slightly okay Pattiyal here and a Mounam Pesiyadhe there. When he is bad, he is really god-awful bad, and when he is good, he is just, uh, good :-) maybe that&#039;s the reason!
A couple of news-bits which might be of interest to you:
1. The third progeny of Raja, Bhavadharini, did come out with a lovely album in Amirtham. You must listen to it.
2. Karthik Raja has the recently released Chakravyuham which has recevied good reviews for the music - admittedly, these are from my 4-5 contacts who I think are the only KR fans in the world apart from me but I trust them so I can stick my neck out here for Chakravyuham :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>br, a lot of people have this aversion for Yuvan and an almost-unexplainable preference for Karthik &#8211; and I am one of them.<br />
Maybe, you could articulate it for us <img src='http://www.desipundit.com/baradwajrangan/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Yuvan has not done much for me either, except the odd Paruthi Veeran or not to forget, in case you have forgotten, Nanda. Mun Paniyaa was as dew-fresh as you could get. Somehow, his other scores dont hold up barring a slightly okay Pattiyal here and a Mounam Pesiyadhe there. When he is bad, he is really god-awful bad, and when he is good, he is just, uh, good <img src='http://www.desipundit.com/baradwajrangan/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  maybe that&#8217;s the reason!<br />
A couple of news-bits which might be of interest to you:<br />
1. The third progeny of Raja, Bhavadharini, did come out with a lovely album in Amirtham. You must listen to it.<br />
2. Karthik Raja has the recently released Chakravyuham which has recevied good reviews for the music &#8211; admittedly, these are from my 4-5 contacts who I think are the only KR fans in the world apart from me but I trust them so I can stick my neck out here for Chakravyuham <img src='http://www.desipundit.com/baradwajrangan/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ravi K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ravi K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 18:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the next big trend in Indian film music will be inspired by John Cage or Philip Glass :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the next big trend in Indian film music will be inspired by John Cage or Philip Glass <img src='http://www.desipundit.com/baradwajrangan/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: brangan</title>
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		<dc:creator>brangan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 09:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shankar: I don&#039;t have a problem with the same ragas being used (assuming that composers decide to base the song on one, as opposed to the song merely turning out in a raga) as long as the treatment is fresh. And my Harris observations were based solely on the songs, not BGM. But oit&#039;s interesting what you say about the Big 3 -- because on a very broad level, MSV left his stamp on the melody line, IR on the arrangements/orchestration, and ARR on the presentation/sound. So I wonder what&#039;s left that a new composer can stake a claim to and say, &quot;No one&#039;s focussed on this before. Let me make it mine.&quot; :-)

Ravi K: Sample or no sample, when it comes to easy listening, I still respond better to HJ&#039;s music than to Yuvan&#039;s (though the latter, if he puts his mind to it, dores come up with the odd Paruthi Veeran).  If I were to take someone from the house of Raja, I&#039;d rather listen to Karthik, though he doesn&#039;t do much these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shankar: I don&#8217;t have a problem with the same ragas being used (assuming that composers decide to base the song on one, as opposed to the song merely turning out in a raga) as long as the treatment is fresh. And my Harris observations were based solely on the songs, not BGM. But oit&#8217;s interesting what you say about the Big 3 &#8212; because on a very broad level, MSV left his stamp on the melody line, IR on the arrangements/orchestration, and ARR on the presentation/sound. So I wonder what&#8217;s left that a new composer can stake a claim to and say, &#8220;No one&#8217;s focussed on this before. Let me make it mine.&#8221; <img src='http://www.desipundit.com/baradwajrangan/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Ravi K: Sample or no sample, when it comes to easy listening, I still respond better to HJ&#8217;s music than to Yuvan&#8217;s (though the latter, if he puts his mind to it, dores come up with the odd Paruthi Veeran).  If I were to take someone from the house of Raja, I&#8217;d rather listen to Karthik, though he doesn&#8217;t do much these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravi K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ravi K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 06:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I often feel I can say, &quot;there&#039;s a sample, there&#039;s a sample&quot; while listening to HJ&#039;s music.  ARR, Yuvan, etc. use them too, but they&#039;re better about morphing and meshing them into an organic sound.  And HJ has copied ARR a few times. Orugalluke Pilla from the Telugu film Sainikudu is more than a little similar to Chaiyya Chaiyya.

Back to songs in Indian films.  It is such a strange thing for a character to start singing that it takes a particularly good director to include songs in a film and not have it break the immersion in a film.  In most films whenever the song starts I am aware again for a moment that I&#039;m watching a movie.

That&#039;s why I appreciate Guru Dutt&#039;s lack of musical interludes (with a few exceptions).  There is no break between dialogue and song lyrics, which doesn&#039;t give you time to think, &quot;Hey, a song is starting.&quot;  It also helped that the songs flowed from the narrative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I often feel I can say, &#8220;there&#8217;s a sample, there&#8217;s a sample&#8221; while listening to HJ&#8217;s music.  ARR, Yuvan, etc. use them too, but they&#8217;re better about morphing and meshing them into an organic sound.  And HJ has copied ARR a few times. Orugalluke Pilla from the Telugu film Sainikudu is more than a little similar to Chaiyya Chaiyya.</p>
<p>Back to songs in Indian films.  It is such a strange thing for a character to start singing that it takes a particularly good director to include songs in a film and not have it break the immersion in a film.  In most films whenever the song starts I am aware again for a moment that I&#8217;m watching a movie.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I appreciate Guru Dutt&#8217;s lack of musical interludes (with a few exceptions).  There is no break between dialogue and song lyrics, which doesn&#8217;t give you time to think, &#8220;Hey, a song is starting.&#8221;  It also helped that the songs flowed from the narrative.</p>
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		<title>By: Shankar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shankar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 11:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the first I really noticed Vidyasagar was when I heard his score for Jai Hind. He does have his strengths though he loves his Reethigowlai and Dharbari Kanada (as do many other composers with their fav ragams). Sometimes, I feel a Vidyasagar album is almost based on a formula.

Coming to HJ, he is beginning to sound as though his bag of tricks are coming to an end. I do love some of his scores (with emphasis on the bass guitar, synth or otherewise) but his BGM skills are highly questionable.

I agree with Deepauk on Yuvan. He is highly inconsistent and I agree he has really improved in BGM scoring. If you ask me about sheer composing skills, I would probably rate Karthik Raja higher, though he has his negatives too with excessive dependence on electronica (in his case, doesn&#039;t sound that great).

Ultimately, I guess the bar is set too high for these guys by the &quot;big 3&quot; and unknowingly, we will keep evaluating their music relatively (which probably doesn&#039;t do too much justice to them).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the first I really noticed Vidyasagar was when I heard his score for Jai Hind. He does have his strengths though he loves his Reethigowlai and Dharbari Kanada (as do many other composers with their fav ragams). Sometimes, I feel a Vidyasagar album is almost based on a formula.</p>
<p>Coming to HJ, he is beginning to sound as though his bag of tricks are coming to an end. I do love some of his scores (with emphasis on the bass guitar, synth or otherewise) but his BGM skills are highly questionable.</p>
<p>I agree with Deepauk on Yuvan. He is highly inconsistent and I agree he has really improved in BGM scoring. If you ask me about sheer composing skills, I would probably rate Karthik Raja higher, though he has his negatives too with excessive dependence on electronica (in his case, doesn&#8217;t sound that great).</p>
<p>Ultimately, I guess the bar is set too high for these guys by the &#8220;big 3&#8243; and unknowingly, we will keep evaluating their music relatively (which probably doesn&#8217;t do too much justice to them).</p>
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		<title>By: vimal</title>
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		<dc:creator>vimal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 17:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Br: 
HJ&#039;s music was good. But offlate, his music is so repetitive and is very much predictable. He constantly reuses his tune, very evident in Anniyan, Unnale Unnale. 

The issue with Yuvan like what Deepak mentioned is his inconsitency. Probably it could also be because he gets involved with a lot of projects. But definetely his BGMs are simply superb and is much better than Rahmans too.

Vidyasagar i feel is the most underrated music director we have in the South today. His music for the Malayalam movies are fabulous; but I guess in Tamil he is subjected to a lot of masalas. And even though he had churned out a lot of hits than his counterparts, his name is never recalled or mentioned among the top music directors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Br:<br />
HJ&#8217;s music was good. But offlate, his music is so repetitive and is very much predictable. He constantly reuses his tune, very evident in Anniyan, Unnale Unnale. </p>
<p>The issue with Yuvan like what Deepak mentioned is his inconsitency. Probably it could also be because he gets involved with a lot of projects. But definetely his BGMs are simply superb and is much better than Rahmans too.</p>
<p>Vidyasagar i feel is the most underrated music director we have in the South today. His music for the Malayalam movies are fabulous; but I guess in Tamil he is subjected to a lot of masalas. And even though he had churned out a lot of hits than his counterparts, his name is never recalled or mentioned among the top music directors.</p>
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		<title>By: Deepauk M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deepauk M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 14:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raj: It&#039;ll be a long diatribe if I star on vijay. &quot;Nallathor vijay seithe athai nalam keda puzhuthiyil avane vittuvittaan.&quot; Maragadhamani had some lovely albums - Devaragam, Azhagan etc.. Plenty more in Telugu. But I think he is more in the Vidyasagar mold. They both love the shringara rasa ragams.

Rangan: Yuvan definitely scores in the BGM department over HJ (It is probably in the genes.). Mounam Pesiyadhe is a favorite album of mine and the BGM was incredible. The Meera Jasmine theme in Sandaikozhi was excellent, almost on par with Sita&#039;s score in Aan Paavam (and that is huuuuuuuuge praise). His inconsistency is his issue, Billa was largely unimpressive except for Seval Kodi. Kattradhu thamizh was salvaged by his dad&#039;s rendition of &quot;paravaiye&quot; and Satham Podathey was quite a dud. But he&#039;ll get there, I have hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raj: It&#8217;ll be a long diatribe if I star on vijay. &#8220;Nallathor vijay seithe athai nalam keda puzhuthiyil avane vittuvittaan.&#8221; Maragadhamani had some lovely albums &#8211; Devaragam, Azhagan etc.. Plenty more in Telugu. But I think he is more in the Vidyasagar mold. They both love the shringara rasa ragams.</p>
<p>Rangan: Yuvan definitely scores in the BGM department over HJ (It is probably in the genes.). Mounam Pesiyadhe is a favorite album of mine and the BGM was incredible. The Meera Jasmine theme in Sandaikozhi was excellent, almost on par with Sita&#8217;s score in Aan Paavam (and that is huuuuuuuuge praise). His inconsistency is his issue, Billa was largely unimpressive except for Seval Kodi. Kattradhu thamizh was salvaged by his dad&#8217;s rendition of &#8220;paravaiye&#8221; and Satham Podathey was quite a dud. But he&#8217;ll get there, I have hope.</p>
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		<title>By: brangan</title>
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		<dc:creator>brangan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 04:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deepauk M: &quot;I’m a lover not a fighter.&quot; MJ would be so proud. :-) And crap. Of course I meant to write Aazhiyile, which is what drew me to the song in the first place. Talking of imagery, I also like the vision of a beauty sizzling in the steam/heat (of the morning sun that one can perhaps assume came up after her mukkuli?) :-) It&#039;s been a while since a song conjured up such vividly beautiful images. I must say I prefer HJ to Yuvan, whose music just doesn&#039;t do anything for me. Maybe I&#039;m just not &quot;young&quot; enough :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deepauk M: &#8220;I’m a lover not a fighter.&#8221; MJ would be so proud. <img src='http://www.desipundit.com/baradwajrangan/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  And crap. Of course I meant to write Aazhiyile, which is what drew me to the song in the first place. Talking of imagery, I also like the vision of a beauty sizzling in the steam/heat (of the morning sun that one can perhaps assume came up after her mukkuli?) <img src='http://www.desipundit.com/baradwajrangan/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  It&#8217;s been a while since a song conjured up such vividly beautiful images. I must say I prefer HJ to Yuvan, whose music just doesn&#8217;t do anything for me. Maybe I&#8217;m just not &#8220;young&#8221; enough <img src='http://www.desipundit.com/baradwajrangan/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: raj</title>
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		<dc:creator>raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 04:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HJ sure can work within his confines. Much like Maragadhamani aka MM Kreem aka MM Keeravani used to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HJ sure can work within his confines. Much like Maragadhamani aka MM Kreem aka MM Keeravani used to.</p>
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		<title>By: raj</title>
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		<dc:creator>raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 04:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>deepak, that&#039;s also the difference between rajni and vijay :-)</description>
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